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| Name |
John St John |
| Title |
Sir |
| Birth |
Bef 1495 |
Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, England  [1, 2] |
| Gender |
Male |
| Occupation |
Chamberlaind of the Household to Princess Elizabeth Tudor (later Queen Elizabeth I) [2] |
| Occupation |
Guardian to Princess Mary Tudor (later Queen Mary I) 1536 [2] |
| Occupation |
Justice of the Peace for Bedfordshire, 1528-58 [2] |
| Occupation |
Knight of the Body to King Henry VIII, 1516 [2] |
| Occupation |
Knight of the Shire for Bedfordshire, 1529, 1539, 1542 [2] |
| Occupation |
Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire, 1529-30, 1534-5, 1549-50 [2] |
| Death |
19 Dec 1558 |
Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, England [1, 2] |
| Person ID |
I52982 |
The Hennessee Family |
| Last Modified |
30 Apr 2019 |
| Father |
Sir John St John, KB, b. ~1450, Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, England d. Bef 23 May 1525, Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, England (Age ~ 74 years) |
| Mother |
Margred ferch Morgan, b. ~1462, Langstone, Monmouthshire, Wales d. ~1524 (Age ~ 62 years) |
| Marriage |
1483 |
Langstone, Monmouthshire, Wales [2] |
| Family ID |
F19845 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family 1 |
Lady Margaret Waldergrave, b. ~12 Nov 1485, Smallbridge Manor, Bures St. Mary, Suffolk, England d. ~APRIL 1564, Bedfordshire, England (Age ~ 78 years) |
| Marriage |
Bef 1521 [1, 2] |
| Children |
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| Family ID |
F19844 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Last Modified |
30 Apr 2023 |
| Family 2 |
Anne Neville, b. 1502, Cotterstock, Northamptonshire, England d. Bef 22 Aug 1595, Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, England (Age 93 years) |
| Marriage |
Aft 1540 [3, 4] |
| Children |
| | 1. Cresset St John, b. ~1540, Bedfordshire, England d. ~1572, Bedfordshire, England (Age ~ 32 years) |
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| Family ID |
F1954 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Last Modified |
30 Apr 2023 |
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| Notes |
- Biography
John St John was a member of aristocracy in the British Isles.
Name
John Saint John, Knt, [1]
Estimating Birth Year
He was Knight of the Body to the King in 1516. If at least 18 for this role, his birth year was before 1498.
He was first married about 1521. If at least 21 for this role, his birth year was 1500.
While without documentation, the birth year of his eldest child is currently shown as 1516. If he were 18 for the birth of this child, his own birth year would be 1498.
He is currently shown, without documentation, as born 1495. This is not an unreasonable birth year.
Birth and Parentage
John was the son of John St John and Sibyl Ferch Mergan Ap Jenkin Ap Philip. [1]
Vitals
Vitals
Son of John Saint John, K.B., and Sibyl ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip[1]
father John Saint John, K.B., son of John Saint John, Esq., and Alice Bradshaugh[2]
mother Sibyl (Margaret), daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin and his 2nd wife Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt.[3]
Marriages: (1) in or before 1521 Margaret Waldegrave, (2) Anne Neville[1]
Margaret Waldegrave was the daughter of William Waldegrave, K.B., and Margery, daughter of Henry Wentworth[1]
Anne Neville was the daughter and co-heiress of Thomas and Alice (Wauton) Neville[4]
Children:
by Margaret[1]
Oliver, Knt., 1st Lord Saint John of Bletsoe, m (1) Agnes Fisher and (2) Elizabeth Chamber
John
Margery, m (1) Henry Grey, Esq., (2) Francis Pigott, Esq.
Anne, m Richard Dennis[5]
Margaret, m (1) William Gastwick, Esq., (2) Francis Russell, K.G., K.B.
Alice, m Edward Elmes, Esq.
by Anne (born prior to John and Anne's marriage)[1][6]
Charles
Cressett, m John Butler (Boteler), Esq.
Mary, m John Harvey
Jane, m John Gascoigne
Death: 19 December 1558 (will dated 6 April 1558, proved February 1558/9); wife Anne and son Oliver named in will.[1]
Offices
During his life he carried these titles and offices: [1]
Knight of the Body to King Henry VIII, 1516
Justice of the Peace for Bedfordshire, 1528-58
Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire, 1529-30, 1534-5, 1549-50
Knight of the Shire for Bedfordshire, 1529, 1539, 1542
Guardian to Princess Mary Tudor (later Queen Mary I) 1536
Chamberlaind of the Household to Princess Elizabeth Tudor (later Queen Elizabeth I)
Places
He owned and was associated with the following properties: [1]
Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire,
Ashmore, Dorset,
Paulerespury, Northamptonshire,
Fonman and Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales.
Public Service
He was Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire at various times.
Marriages and Guardianship
1521 First Marriage to Margaret Waldegrave
He married first, in or before 1521, Margaret Waldegrave, daughter of Sir William Waldegrave, K. B. and Margery Wentworth. They had two sons and four daughters.[1]
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire. m. Margaret, dau of Sir William Walgrave of Smallbridge (Buers St. Maryes) in com. Suffolk, Knight. Liaison with Anne, dau of Thomas Nevell, of Cotterstock in com. Northampton 2 sonne of William Nevell of Holte in Com. Lester. Father of Cressyd ux John Boteler of Sharnbrooke in com. Bedfford. [7]
Affair (and later, second marriage) to Anne Neville
He married, as his second wife, Anne Neville, daughter of Thomas Neville and Alice Wauton. They had five children prior to their marriage.[1]
A review of the children's marriage dates suggests that John was conducting an affair with Anne during the time of his marriage with Margaret, and that he did not marry Anne until after Margaret's death. Since all five of his children with Anne were born before their marriage, if the dates are to be trusted, then Margaret's death, and John's marriage to Anne, came sometime after 1540.
1536 Guardian to Princess Mary Tudor
He was guardian to Princess Mary Tudor in 1536, and Chamberlain of the Household to Princess Elizabeth Tudor.
Issue
John and Margaret
John and Margaret had two sons and four daughters. They had sons Oliver (m. Agnes Fisher and Eliabeth Chamber) and John, and daughters Margery, Ann, Margaret (m. William Gostwick and Francis Russell), and Alice.[1]
Warning - The following is apparently a work in progress that was posted here based on their WikiTree profiles. Notes as to children are also apparently based solely on WikiTree information (e.g., no attached profiles for children=no children note below).
Birth years currently shown for the children of John and Margaret begin in 1516 and continue through 1533.
Oliver St. John, Knt, First Lord St. John of Bletsoe, b. Bletsoe 1516. Unsourced. Named in father's 1558 will along with his brother John.
John (Saint John) St John
Anne St John m. Richard Dennis. . b. Bletsoe 1518 m. Thomas Elye.
Margery St. John, wife of Henry Gray, Esq, and Francis Pigott, Esq. b. Bletsoe abt 1520..
Alice St John m Edmund Elmes, Esq. b. Bletsoe 1520. No children.
Margaret St John m. William Gostwick and Francis Russell. b. Bletsoe 1533. Has children.
John and Anne
John and Anne had five children prior to their marriage: Charles, Cressett (m. John Butler/Boteler), Jane, Mary, and one other daughter.[1]
Warning - The following is apparently a work in progress that was posted here based on their WikiTree profiles. Notes as to children are also apparently based solely on WikiTree information (e.g., no attached profiles for children=no children note below).
Birth years currently shown for the children of John and Anne begin in 1518 and continue to 1540.
Assuming the correctness of these dates, John's children by Anne were born concurrently with his children by Margaret.
Children as currently displayed in WikiTree:
Jane St John m. John Gascoigne. b. Bletsoe 1518.
Charles St John, born Bletsoe 1524. No spouse, no children, unsourced. Currently shown as child of Margaret, not Anne. b. Bletsoe 1524.
Mary Saint John m. John Harvey, b. Bletsoe 1530. No children. Unsourced.
Cressett (Cressyda) St John b. Bletsoe 1540. m. John Butler/Boteler (currently duplicate profiles).
Female Saint John
1558 Death
He died on 19 December 1558, at Bletsoe, Bedfordshire. His will named his wife Anne and his son Oliver[1].
Research Notes
The indication that Sir John Saint John was having children with two women concurrently adds an unusual degree of research interest to this profile. Presumably his wife Margaret and her family were at one of the family's manors in Bletsoe, Bedfordshire. Where was Anne and her children at this time? Did he keep Anne a secret from Margaret? How is that possible in an era when servants gossip? Any additional documentation regarding his family life -- dates and places and events of his children in their minority -- would add additional light to this profile!Day-1904 18:39, 10 January 2016 (EST)
Sources
? 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 Richardson, Royal Ancestry, I:384-387 BLETSOE 18, 19
? Royal Ancestry, Vol 1, p 384 (2013) shows that John (m Waldegrave) was a Knight (Knight Bachelor) and both his father and grandfather as K.B. (Knights of the Bath). However, in a 2014 Rootsweb Gen-Medieval post ("New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014), Richardson discusses evidence leading him to change the grandfather (m Alice Bradshaw) from K.B. to Esquire:
John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, who died before 9 February 1489/90 and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton, was "John Saint John, esquire (not knight)".
Richardson posted the following as the current entry in his files:
"I. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., of Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire, Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, Fonmon and Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales, etc., son and heir, born about 1432-7 (aged 40 and more in 1482). He married (1st) ALICE BRADSHAGH (or BRADSCHAGH), daughter of Thomas Bradshagh, of Haigh, Lancashire. They had one son, John, K.B., and five daughters, Anne, Elizabeth (wife of Thomas Kent, Esq.), Eleanor, Margaret (wife of John ap Morgan), and _____ (nun at Shaftesbury).
He married (2nd) ELIZABETH MATHEW, daughter of William Mathew Fawr, by Lleucu, daughter of Gruffudd ap Nicholas. They had one son, Maurice. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., was living in 1482 (date of mother's inquisition post mortem), and died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit). His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit) (as his 2nd wife) RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., of Wyke juxta Yatton, Aldwick, Ston Easton, Midsomer Norton, North Curry, Thorn Falcon, Ubley, and Walton-in-Gordano, Somerset, South Carleton, Devon, Child Okeford, Dorset, Aust and Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire, etc., son and heir of John Newton, Knt., by Isabel, daughter and co-heiress of Thomas Cheddar, Esq. He was born about 1468 (aged 30 and more in 1498). They had one daughter, Jane (or Jenet) (wife of Thomas Griffin, Knt.). In 1490 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., died 26 Sept. 1500. He left a will dated 24 Sept. 1500, proved 3 March 1500/1 (P.C.C. Moone). His widow, Elizabeth, was assigned dower 11 June 1501. In 1516 she presented to the church of Exford, Somerset. In 1518 James Perceval, Esq., bought a quare impedit against Elizabeth, widow of Richard Newton and others regarding the church of Exford, Somerset. Elizabeth died in 1524. She left a will proved August 1524 (P.C.C.). In the period, 1532-38, Henry Capell and Thomas Gryffyn, Knts., and Jane, wife of the latter, sued Richard Bydwell, Gent., and another, executors of Nicholas, brother of Richard Newton, Esq., deceased in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire and other lands, late of the said Richard Newton, father of the said Jane, and grandfather of the said Sir Henry. In 1553-55 Thomas Gryffyn, of Braybrooke, Northamptonshire, sued Henry Capell and William Dale, of Yatton, Somerset, yeoman, in Chancery regarding the goods of Elizabeth, late the wife of Richard Newton, in her house at Wyke, Somerset."
? Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), page 479
? "see LONGFORD 18 for her ancestry" (Royal Ancestry, Vol I, p 384, #Richardson)
? the profile for Anne St John shows husband as Thomas Elye, son Leonard, with no support or explanation. Anne St John, daughter of John and Margaret (Waldegrave) St John, is shown in Royal Ancestry, Vol 1, p 384 (#Richardson) as "wife of Richard Dennis" with no mention of a Thomas Elye. Source given on Thomas Elye's profile is for his will, which does not mention a wife (Anne or otherwise). The St_John-209 profile for Anne has her husband as Thomas Denny, which does not agree with Royal Ancestry (#Richardson) either.
? "one illegitimate son... and four illegitimate daughters" - only 3 named (Royal Ancestry, Vol I, p 384, #Richardson)
? Frederic Augustus Blaydes, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55 https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.
See also:
Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 2nd Edition, 2011 Publisher: Douglas Richardson; ISBN: 1461045207, 9781461045205. Vol. 1, Page 218ff. (See also WikiTree's Source page for Magna Carta Ancestry.)
Richardson, Douglas: Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd edn. (2011), 3 vols, Volume 1, page 286, BLETSOE 16. (See also WikiTree's Source page for Plantagenet Ancestry.)
Richardson, Douglas: Royal Ancestry, (2013), 5 vols, Volume III, page 619. (See also WikiTree's Source page for Royal Ancestry.)
Blaydes, FA (ed.): Visitations of Bedfordshire, Harleian Soc. 21 for 1885 (but dated 1884), pages 51-55. (Note two books have been bound together, so the index is in the middle.)
pages 51-55, St John of Bletsoe, followed by cadet branches.
Source: The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, Edition: 4th ed., Record Number: CS55 A31979 Abbreviation: Magna Charta, 4th ed. Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD, 1991
Descendants of Robertus le Boteler Author prob. TIMOTHY ELLSWORTH DOUGLAS II
History of Parliament Online: Sir John St John
Acknowledgements
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Magna Carta Project
Magna Carta trail
Base Camp for the Magna Carta project shows that the trail from Magna Carta Surety Baron Henry de Bohun to Gateway Ancestor Elizabeth (Boteler) Claiborne was completed by Jack Day. See Base Camp for more information about Magna Carta trails.
This profile was re-reviewed by Gordon Warder Jr in January 2019. The trail from Elizabeth Boteler-112 to Henry Bohun-7 is in the process of being reviewed/approved by the Magna Carta Project.
Magna Carta Lineage
Elizabeth Boteler m. William Claiborne. Royal Ancestry (RA) I:386. Brother Thomas is also a Gateway Ancestor (brother John also immigrated but died unmarried).
John Butler II RA I:386
Cressett Saint John, illegitimate daughter of John Saint John and Anne Neville, m. John Butler I. RA I:385
John Saint John m. (1) Margaret Waldegrave (BLETSOE 18) and (2) Anne Neville RA I:384
John Saint John m. Margred (Sybill) ferch Morgan RA IV:534
John Saint John m. Alice Bradshaw RA IV:534
Margaret Beauchamp m. Oliver Saint John
John Beauchamp m. Edith Stourton RA IV:527
Roger Beauchamp m. Mary RA IV:525
Roger de Beauchamp m. Joan de Clopton RA IV:526
Roger de Beauchamp m. Sibyl de Patesville
Roger de Beauchamp of Powick
Alice de Tony m. Walter de Beauchamp RA IV:411/V:175 Already has MC Badge, other Trail.
Alice de Bohun m. Roger de Tony RA V:174 Already has MC Badge, other Trail.
Humphrey de Bohun m. Maud of Eu RA I:410 Already has MC Badge, other Trail.
Henry de Bohun m. Maude de Mandeveille. Already has MC Badge, other Trail.
end of this biography [2]
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- [S14047] "Dorothy (Saint John) Booth (bef. 1612 - 1655)", Biography, Ancestors & Descendants, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Saint.
- [S14048] "John St John (bef. 1495 - 1558)", Biography, Ancestors & Descendants, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/St_John-186, abstra.
- [S14523] "Mary Elizabeth (Claiborne) Harris (abt. 1630 - 1710)", Biography, Ancestors, Descendants with sources, https://www.wiki.
- [S14537] "Anne St John formerly Neville", Biography, Descendants & Ancestors with ources, select tab; "Ancestors" to view her dat.
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