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 1325 - 1378 (~ 52 years)
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| Name |
Joan Saye |
| Birth |
~1325 |
Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England  [1, 2] |
| Gender |
Female |
| Death |
29 Jun 1378 |
Canterbury, Kent, England [1, 2] |
| Person ID |
I50760 |
The Hennessee Family |
| Last Modified |
1 Feb 2018 |
| Father |
Sir Geoffrey de Say, IV, 2nd Baron de Say, b. ~1343, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England d. 27 Jul 1382 (Age ~ 39 years) |
| Mother |
Maud de Beauchamp, b. 1311, Warwick Castle, Warwick, Warwickshire, England d. 25 Jul 1369, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England (Age 58 years) |
| Marriage |
Y [3] |
| Family ID |
F18525 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family |
William de Fiennes, b. 2 Feb 1331, Hurstmonceaux, Sussex, England d. 30 Nov 1359 (Age 28 years) |
| Marriage |
Bef 1356 [1, 2] |
| Children |
| | 1. William de Fiennes, b. 1 Aug 1357, Hurstmonceaux, Sussex, England d. 18 Jan 1402 (Age 44 years) |
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| Family ID |
F18859 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Last Modified |
30 Apr 2023 |
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| Notes |
- Joan de Valoines formerly Saye aka de Saye, Fiennes
Born about 1325 in Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, Englandmap [uncertain]
HIDE ANCESTORS
Daughter of Geoffrey (Say) de Say and Maud (Beauchamp) de Say
Sister of Elizabeth (Saye) de Alden, Idonea (Say) Clinton, Thomas (Saye) de Saye and William (Say) de Say
Wife of William (Fiennes) de Fiennes — married before 1356 [location unknown]
Wife of Stephen de Valence — married before 1370 [location unknown]
DESCENDANTS descendants
Mother of John Fiennes and William Fiennes
Died 29 Jun 1378 in Canterbury, Kent, England
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Biography
Joan de Say married Sir William Fiennes, Forester of Windsor, son of Sir John de Fiennes and Maud Monceaux, before 1356; They had 2 sons ( John; & Sir William). Joan de Say married Sir Stephen de Valence (or de Voloines), Lt. of Dover Castle & Cinque Ports before 1370. By a previous marriage, Sir Stephen had a daughter, Joan, who married William Costede and Thomas Fogge, Knt. Joan (Fiennes nâee de Say) de Valence died on 29 July 1378.[1][2][3]
Birthdate: shown as circa 1325, and circa 1332[citation needed]
Birthplace: Sawbridgeworth,Hertfordshire,England[citation needed]
Joan was the daughter of Sir Geoffrey de Say, Constable of Rochester Castle by Maud de Beauchamp.[4]
Note: Joan is not her daughter, but the daughter of her second husband's first wife.[5][6]
Property
Manor of Saye's Court
"Sir William Heron above mentioned possessed this manor in right of his wife, anno 19 Richard II. together with her, by the name of Elizabeth lady Saye, levied a fine of it, with all other their manors and lands in Kent, to the use of them and the heirs male of their bodies; remainder to her own right heirs. Four years after which she died, s. p. Upon which this manor came to Sir William Heron in her right, and he died possessed of it in the 6th year of king Henry IV. s. p. likewise, Sir John (fn. 13) son of his brother Sir John Heron, being his next heir, all which was found by inquisition taken here at Deptford, and that it was held in capite, and consisted of one capital messuage here and two hundred and twenty-five acres of land, and of rents of assize of free tenements seven pounds eight shillings and two leets, and it was likewise found by an inquisition, taken after her death, that she died, s. p. and that Sir William de Clinton, son of Idonea, sister of William de Saye last mentioned; Mary wife of Otho de Worthington, and daughter of Thomas de Aldon, by Elizabeth, another sister of the said William; and Maud, her sister; and Roger de Fiennes, [grand]son of William by Joane, another sister, who afterwards had Stephen de Valoines; were her heirs and next of kin. They most probably joined in the sale of it, for in the 3d year of Henry V. it was found, (fn. 14) that Sir John Philip and Alice his wife held the reversion of this manor, and that Sir William Philip was his brother and next heir."[7]
Inquisition of Elizabeth de Say
Writ 18 Nov. 1404.
BUCKINGHAM. Inquisition. Buckingham 28 Feb 1405
"She held nothing in Buckinghamshire. She died on 8 July 1399. Her next heirs are William de Clynton, knight, son of William de Clynton, knight, son of John de Clynton, knight, and Idonea his wife, one aunt of Elizabeth; Mary wife of Otto de Worthyngton, and Maud her sister, daughters of Thomas de Alden, knight, and Elizabeth his wife, another aunt; and Roger Fyenles, son of William de Fyenles, knight, son of William de Fyenles and Joan his wife, her third aunt. Idonea, Elizabeth and Joan were sisters of William de Say, knight, father of Elizabeth. William de Clynton is aged 26 years and more, Mary 34 years and more, and Maud 28 years and more. Roger will be 20 on 14 Sept. next."[8]
Sources
? Magna Carta Ancestry
? Royal Ancestry
? Plantagenet Ancestry
? Royal Ancestry
? Richardson's Royal Ancestry (vol II, p 579, FIENNES #12)
? the profile was detached from Saye-10
? Edward Hasted, 'Parishes: Deptford,' in The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent: Volume 1 (Canterbury: W Bristow, 1797), 340-371, accessed March 12, 2016, [1]
? Institute of Historical Research CIPM 18 - Part XI. [2]
Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), volume II, page 579, FIENNES 12, entry for WILLIAM DE FIENNES
See also:
Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 567-568.
Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 569.
Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 641-642.
Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 504-505
Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 507.
Peerage site
The complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, Cokayne, George Edward, (Gloucester [England] : Alan Sutton Pub. Ltd., 1987), vol. 3 p. 320.
end of biography [2]
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- [S12258] "Elizabeth (Fiennes) Raynsford (abt. 1425 - bef. 1470)", Biography, Pedigree & Descendants, https://www.wikitree.com/wik.
- [S12259] "Joan (Saye) de Valoines (abt. 1325 - 1378)", Biography, Pedigree & Registry, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Saye-10, rev.
- [S11852] "Sir John Say, III, of Broxbourne (~1419-1478)", Ahnentafel, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?o.
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