Sir Saer de Quincy, Knight, 1st Earl of Winchester

Male 1155 - 1219  (~ 64 years)


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  • Name Saer de Quincy 
    Title Sir 
    Suffix Knight, 1st Earl of Winchester 
    Born ~1155  Winchester, Hampshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Gender Male 
    Burial Garendon Abbey, Leicestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Alt Birth ~1170  [2
    Alt Death 3 Nov 1219  Damietta, Egypt Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Residence England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Also Known As Earl Saer  [2
    Also Known As Saher Quincy  [1
    Also Known As Saleur di Quinci  [2
    Died 3 Nov 1219  (Acre) Israel Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Buried Acre, Israel Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Person ID I46162  The Hennessee Family
    Last Modified 7 Sep 2019 

    Father Robert Quincy, Lord of Buckley,   b. ~1138, Northamptonshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 29 Sep 1198, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 60 years) 
    Mother Orabella Leuchars,   b. ~1135, Leuchars, Fife, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef June 1203, Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 67 years) 
    Married ~1153  [1
    Family ID F20137  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Margaret de Beaumont,   b. ~1154, Leicestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 12 Jan 1235, Brackley, Northamptonshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 80 years) 
    Married Bef 1173  [2, 3
    Residence (Family) Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 4
    Children 
     1. Hawise de Quincy
     2. Roger de Quincy, Knight, 2nd Earl of Winchester,   b. ~ 1195,   d. 25 Apr 1264  (Age ~ 69 years)
     3. Robert de Quincy,   d. 0___ 1217, London, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Last Modified 19 Sep 2019 
    Family ID F16883  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - ~1155 - Winchester, Hampshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBurial - - Garendon Abbey, Leicestershire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsAlt Death - 3 Nov 1219 - Damietta, Egypt Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - - England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 3 Nov 1219 - (Acre) Israel Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBuried - - Acre, Israel Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence (Family) - - Scotland Link to Google Earth
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  • Notes 
    • Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester (c. 1170 – 3 November 1219) (or Saieur di Quinci[1]) was one of the leaders of the baronial rebellion against King John of England, and a major figure in both the kingdoms of Scotland and England in the decades around the turn of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries.

      Earl of Winchester

      Seal of Robert Fitzwalter (d.1235). So close was the alliance between both men that Robert's seal shows the arms of Saer on a separate shield before his horse
      Following his marriage, Winchester became a prominent military and diplomatic figure in England. There is no evidence of any close alliance with King John, however, and his rise to importance was probably due to his newly acquired magnate status and the family connections that underpinned it.

      One man with whom he does seem to have developed a close personal relationship is his cousin, Robert Fitzwalter (d. 1235). In 1203, they served as co-commanders of the garrison at the major fortress of Vaudreuil in Normandy. They surrendered the castle without a fight to Philip II of France, fatally weakening the English position in northern France. Although popular opinion seems to have blamed them for the capitulation, a royal writ is extant stating that the castle was surrendered at King John's command, and both Winchester and Fitzwalter endured personal humiliation and heavy ransoms at the hands of the French.

      In Scotland, he was perhaps more successful. In 1211 to 1212, the Earl of Winchester commanded an imposing retinue of a hundred knights and a hundred serjeants in William the Lion's campaign against the Mac William rebels, a force which some historians have suggested may have been the mercenary force from Brabant lent to the campaign by John.

      Magna Carta

      Arms displayed by Earl Saire on his seal on Magna Carta. These differ from his arms used elsewhere but can also be seen in stained glass at Winchester Great Hall

      In 1215, when the baronial rebellion broke out, Robert Fitzwalter became the military commander, and the Earl of Winchester joined him, acting as one of the chief authors of Magna Carta and negotiators with John; both cousins were among the 25 guarantors of the Magna Carta. De Quincy fought against John in the troubles that followed the sealing of the Charter, and, again with Fitzwalter, travelled to France to invite Prince Louis of France to take the English throne. He and Fitzwalter were subsequently among the most committed and prominent supporters of Louis's candidature for the kingship, against both John and the infant Henry III.

      The Fifth Crusade

      When military defeat cleared the way for Henry III to take the throne, de Quincy went on crusade, perhaps in fulfillment of an earlier vow. In 1219 he left to join the Fifth Crusade, then besieging Damietta. While in the east, he fell sick and died. He was buried in Acre, the capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, rather than in Egypt, and his heart was brought back and interred at Garendon Abbey near Loughborough, a house endowed by his wife's family.

      Family

      The family of de Quincy had arrived in England after the Norman Conquest, and took their name from Cuinchy in the Arrondissement of Bâethune; the personal name "Saer" was used by them over several generations. Both names are variously spelled in primary sources and older modern works, the first name being sometimes rendered Saher or Seer, and the surname as Quency or Quenci.

      The first recorded Saer de Quincy (known to historians as "Saer I") was lord of the manor of Long Buckby in Northamptonshire in the earlier twelfth century, and second husband of Matilda of St Liz, stepdaughter of King David I of Scotland by Maud of Northumbria. This marriage produced two sons, Saer II and Robert de Quincy. It was Robert, the younger son, who was the father of the Saer de Quincy who eventually became Earl of Winchester. By her first husband Robert Fitz Richard, Matilda was also the paternal grandmother of Earl Saer's close ally, Robert Fitzwalter.

      Robert de Quincy seems to have inherited no English lands from his father, and pursued a knightly career in Scotland, where he is recorded from around 1160 as a close companion of his cousin, King William the Lion. By 1170 he had married Orabilis, heiress of the Scottish lordship of Leuchars and, through her, he became lord of an extensive complex of estates north of the border which included lands in Fife, Strathearn and Lothian.

      Saer de Quincy, the son of Robert de Quincy and Orabilis of Leuchars, was raised largely in Scotland. His absence from English records for the first decades of his life has led some modern historians and genealogists to confuse him with his uncle, Saer II, who took part in the rebellion of Henry the Young King in 1173, when the future Earl of Winchester can have been no more than a toddler. Saer II's line ended without direct heirs, and his nephew and namesake would eventually inherit his estate, uniting his primary Scottish holdings with the family's Northamptonshire patrimony, and possibly some lands in France.

      Issue

      By his wife Margaret de Beaumont, Earl Saire had three sons and three daughters:

      Lora who married Sir William de Valognes, Chamberlain of Scotland.
      Arabella who married Sir Richard Harcourt.
      Robert (d. 1217), before 1206 he married Hawise of Chester, Countess of Lincoln, sister and co-heiress of Ranulf de Blundeville, Earl of Chester.
      Roger, who succeeded his father as earl of Winchester (though he did not take formal possession of the earldom until after his mother's death).
      Robert de Quincy (second son of that name; d. 1257) who married Helen, daughter of the Welsh prince Llywelyn the Great.
      Hawise, who married Hugh de Vere, Earl of Oxford.

      Preceded by

      New Creation Earl of Winchester Succeeded by

      Roger de Quincy

      References

      Jump up ^ Leuchars St Athernase website
      Background Reading[edit]
      Medieval Lands Project on Saher de Quincy
      "Winchester", in The Complete Peerage, ed. G.E.C., xii. 745-751
      Sidney Painter, "The House of Quency, 1136-1264", Medievalia et Humanistica, 11 (1957) 3-9; reprinted in his book Feudalism and Liberty
      Grant G. Simpson, “An Anglo-Scottish Baron of the Thirteenth century: the Acts of Roger de Quincy Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland” (Unpublished PhD Thesis, Edinburgh 1963).
      Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700 (7th Edition, 1992,), 58-60.

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