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Lady Joan Dacre, Baroness Clifford

Female 1415 - Bef 1543  (~ 127 years)


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  • Name Joan Dacre 
    Title Lady 
    Suffix Baroness Clifford 
    Birth ~1415  Naworth Castle, Brampton, Cumbria, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2] 
    • Naworth Castle, also known as, or recorded in historical documents as "Naward", is a castle in Cumbria, England, near the town of Brampton. It is adjacent to the A69 about two miles east of Brampton. It is on the opposite side of the River Irthing to, and just within sight of, Lanercost Priory. It was the seat of the Barons Dacre and is now that of their cognatic descendants, the Earls of Carlisle. It is a grade I listed building.
    Gender Female 
    Death Bef May 1543  (England) Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2] 
    Person ID I41376  The Hennessee Family
    Last Modified 2 Nov 2019 

    Father Sir Thomas Dacre, 6th Baron Dacre of Gilsland,   b. 27 Oct 1387, Naworth Castle, Brampton, Cumbria, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 5 Jan 1458 (Age 70 years) 
    Mother Lady Philippa Neville, Baroness Dacre,   b. 1386, Castle Raby, Raby-Keverstone, Durham, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 1453 (Age 67 years) 
    Marriage Bef 1399  [1, 3, 4, 5] 
    Family ID F14953  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Sir Thomas Clifford, 8th Baron de Clifford,   b. 25 Mar 1414, Cumbria, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 22 May 1455, First Battle of St. Albans, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 41 years) 
    Marriage Aft Mar 1424  Skelton, Yorkshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2, 3, 6, 7] 
    Children 
     1. Sir John Clifford, 9th Baron Clifford,   b. 8 Apr 1435, Conisborough Castle, Doncaster, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 28 Mar 1461, Battle of Ferrybridge, Yorkshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 25 years)
     2. Elizabeth Clifford,   b. ~1441, (Conisborough Castle, Doncaster, England) Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Aft 1479 (Age ~ 38 years)
     3. Joan Clifford,   b. Bef 1446, (Conisborough Castle, Doncaster) England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 10 Aug 1491, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 45 years)
    Family ID F14961  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 30 Apr 2023 

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBirth - ~1415 - Naworth Castle, Brampton, Cumbria, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarriage - Aft Mar 1424 - Skelton, Yorkshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDeath - Bef May 1543 - (England) Link to Google Earth
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  • Notes 
    • Biography

      Joan (Dacre) Clifford was a member of aristocracy in England.
      Birth and Parentage
      Joan (or Jane) Dacre was the daughter of Sir Thomas Dacre, 6th Lord Dacre of Gilsland, and his wife Philippe, daughter of Sir Ralph de Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland, by his 1st wife, Margaret de Stafford.[1]

      Her parents were married before 20 Jul 1399,[2] but her father (born 1387) was a sub-teen bridegroom and it's likely that his bride was little older, if at all. Taking this into account, Joan's date of birth can plausibly be guessed at say 1410-15.

      Marriage
      After March 1424, Joan married Thomas Clifford, 8th Lord Clifford,[1] son of the 7th Baron by Elizabeth Percy[3] and grandson of Hotspur.

      Issue
      They had 4 sons and 5 daughters.[4] who unusually were all knighted

      Sir John (9th Baron), m Margaret Bromflete[4]
      Sir Roger de Clifford, m Joan (or Jane) Courtenay[4]
      Elizabeth (Clifford) Plumpton, m (-) by contract only, Robert Plumpton, (1) his brother Sir William Plumpton, (2) John Hamerton[3][4]
      Maud (Clifford) Sutton, m (1) Sir John Harington, (2) Sir Edmund Sutton (or Dudley)[4]
      Joan (or Jane), wife of Sir Simon Musgrave[4] May be the same as Jane (De Clifford) Clifford b 1452, Shelton, Yorkshire.
      Margaret Clifford, wife of Robert Carr[4]
      Sir Robert
      Sir Thomas
      Anne, wife of Sir Richard Tempest and William Conyers, Esq.[4]
      Death
      Joan was evidently dead by 1453, when her husband contracted to remarry.[4]

      (Royal Ancestry) In May 1453 (her husband) contracted to marry Isabel ____, widow of John Dacre, Knt., a lady in waiting to Queen Margaret of Anjou. The marriage never took place, she marrying instead in 1454 John Boteler, Knt., of Bewsey (in Warrington), Lancashire.

      The burial place of Joan, wife of Thomas Clifford, 8th Lord Clifford, is unknown. according to a FindAGrave memorial for, which has since been removed (was memorial #60731876; as of 22 September 2018, it no longer exists).

      Sources
      ? 1.0 1.1 Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry pp 612-613
      ? Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol 2, p 372.
      ? 3.0 3.1 Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry p 239
      ? 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 4.7 4.8 Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, vol. 1, p. 508
      Royal Ancestry 2013 Vol. II p. 246-247
      Ancestral Roots 8th ed. 2004 F.L. Weis Line 5-35 page 9
      Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, (Kimball G. Everingham, editor. 2nd edition, 2011), vol. 2 p. 16.
      Wikipedia:
      Thomas Clifford (her husband)
      Thomas Dacre (her father)
      Joan Dacre, "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed June 6, 2015)
      Ancestral File, Number 9SKP-BB.
      Research Notes
      Caution: This Joan Dacre appears to have been previously merged with duplicates of her niece, Joan (Dacre) Fiennes, Lady Dacre, daughter of Sir Thomas Dacre by Elizabeth Bowet. The dates and marriages, combined with at least a handful of different gedcoms as sources and biographies, indicate the combination of these two Joans. The niece was Joan, Lady Dacre married to Richard Fiennes. This profile is now for Baroness Clifford and the biography, dates and sources reflect these changes.

      P.S. As of edit June 6, 2015, the text appears to be only for the aunt, Joan (Dacre) Clifford, daughter of Thomas and Philippe (Neville) Dacre, wife of Thomas Clifford. ~ Liz Shifflett

      end of this biography [2]

  • Sources 
    1. [S5346] https://histfam.familysearch.org//ahnentafel.php?personID=I15862&tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous&parentset=0&generations=6.

    2. [S14786] "Elizabeth (Sothill) Drury 21 May 1505 - 19 May 1575", Ancestors, Descendants & Profile, select tab, "Ancestors", to vie.

    3. [S7359] "Philippa Neville, Baroness Dacre (1386 - 1453)" biogrpahy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_de_Neville.

    4. [S7360] "Thomas Dacre, 6th Baron Dacre of Gilsland (27 October 1387 - 5 January 1458)" biography, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.

    5. [S12054] "William Dacre (1265 - bef. 1318)", Biography, Ancestors & Descendants, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dacre-16, retrieve.

    6. [S7448] "Queen Elizabeth II Pedigree", http://famouskin.com/family_group.php?name=7516+queen+elizabeth+ii&ahnum=398577.

    7. [S9030] "Thomas Clifford, 8th Baron de Clifford" biography, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Clifford,_8th_Baron_de_Clifford.


  

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