Lady Ida de Tosny, Countess of Norfolk

Female - Aft 1185


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  • Name Ida de Tosny 
    Title Lady 
    Suffix Countess of Norfolk 
    Born Y  [1
    Gender Female 
    Also Known As Ida de Toesny  [2
    Died Aft 1185  [1
    Person ID I37400  The Hennessee Family
    Last Modified 19 Sep 2015 

    Father Ralph de Tosny, V, Knight, Earl,   b. (Normandy, France) Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 0___ 1162 
    Mother Margaret de Beaumont,   b. 0___ 1125, (Leicestershire, England) Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1185  (Age ~ 61 years) 
    Married Y  [3, 4
    Family ID F15953  Group Sheet

    Family 1 Henry II, King of England,   b. 5 Mar 1133, Le Mans, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 6 Jul 1189, Chinon Castle, France Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 56 years) 
    _MARRIED
    _MSTAT Partners 
    Not married
    • she was mother of one of his illegitimate sons, William Longesp‚ee, 3rd Earl of Salisbury, (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226)
    Children 
     1. William (Plantagenet) Longespee, 3rd Earl of Salisbury,   b. ~ 1176, (Salisbury, Wiltshire) England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 7 Mar 1226, Salisbury Castle, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 50 years)
    Last Modified 24 Apr 2017 
    Family ID F13837  Group Sheet

    Family 2 Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk,   b. 1144-1150, Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 0___ 1221, (Norfolk, England) Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 71 years) 
    Married 0___ 1181  (Norfolk, England) Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 5
    • around Christmas...
    Children 
     1. Hugh Bigod, Knight, 3rd Earl of Norfolk,   b. ~ 1182, Thetford, Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 18 Feb 1225, (Norfolk, England) Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 43 years)
    Last Modified 24 Apr 2017 
    Family ID F15633  Group Sheet

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  • Notes 
    • Ida de Tosny, Countess of Norfolk was very likely a daughter of Ralph V de Tosny (died 1162) and his wife Margaret (born circa 1125 and living in 1185), a daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester.[1]

      Relationship to Henry II

      Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of King Henry II, by whom she was mother of one of his illegitimate sons, William Longesp‚ee, 3rd Earl of Salisbury, (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226). For many years, until the discovery of a charter of William mentioning "Comitissa Ida, mater mea" (Countess Ida, my mother),[2] it was assumed that Rosamund Clifford, a previous mistress of Henry's, was the mother, but painstaking genealogical detective work [3] has since shown otherwise. Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as a royal mistress. Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, who fought at the Battle of Hastings with the Conqueror, was the ward of King Henry I and the mistress of one of his sons.[4]

      Marriage

      Around Christmas 1181, Ida de Tosny was given in marriage to Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk by Henry II, together with the manors of Acle, Halvergate and South Walsham, which had been confiscated from his inheritance after his father's death (Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk).[5] Ida and Roger had a number of children including:

      Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206 or 1207, Maud Marshal, a daughter of William Marshal
      William Bigod
      Ralph Bigod
      Roger Bigod
      Margery Bigod, married William de Hastings
      Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert

      Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV, 2nd Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

      Ida de Tosney in fiction

      Ida de Tosny and her husband Roger are the main characters in Elizabeth Chadwick's The Time of Singing (Sphere, 2008), published in the USA as For the King's Favor. They appear as minor characters in other of her books set at the same time, notably To Defy a King, which concerns the marriage of their son Hugh to Maud, a daughter of William Marshal

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      Ida de Tosny was a royal ward who became the mistress of King Henry II. The first evidence of contemporary information about Ida came to light in 1979 with the publication in the of two charters found in the Bradenstoke Priory Cartulary where he mentions "Comitissa Ida, mater mea" (Countess Ida, my mother), until then, it was assumed that Rosamund Clifford, a previous and more famous mistress of King Henry II's, was William's mother. [5]

  • Sources 
    1. [S51646] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_de_Tosny.

    2. [S7103] "Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bigod,_2nd_Earl_of_Norfolk.

    3. [S7850] "Ida de Tosny, Countess of Norfolk" biography, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_de_Tosny.

    4. [S8083] "Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (1104 - 5 April 1168)" biography, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Bea.

    5. [S7022] William Longesp‚ee (circa 1176 - 7 March 1226), http://www.englishmonarchs.co.uk/plantagenet_78.html.

    6. [S7438] "Lord Robert Fitz Roger DE CLAVERING, 5th Baron Warkworth, 1St Baron Clavering" biography, http://knight-france.com/gene.