Susannah Roberts

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alt Birth: 14 Jun 1820

Family/Spouse: Jessie Walling. Jessie (son of James Walling and Susannah Dykes) was born on 5 Nov 1820 in (Van Buren County) Tennessee; died on 18 Mar 1908 in (Van Buren County) Tennessee; was buried in Walling Cemetery, Van Buren County, Tennessee. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Amanda Walling was born on 8 Dec 1848 in Van Buren County, Tennessee; died on 19 May 1926 in Van Buren County, Tennessee; was buried in Walling Cemetery, Van Buren County, Tennessee.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alt Death: 1849, White County, Tennessee

Notes:

Re: Roberts DNA match
From: P Roberts
To: robertsdpr
Cc: walkerrs15 ; RobertMSain
Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:36 am

Phil:

We have corresponded before. Have been reviewing dna results lately. I'm Wm. Roberts b. 1765 kit 130762.

I also match as you do closely to the John Roberts b. 1733/35 of Surry Co NC. As for a possibility that your JAMES 1807 was the son of WM., son of JOHN 1733/35 of Surry, I looked over Earl Roberts extensive research. He's now deceased, desc. of John 1733/35, but he's got a pretty well documentation of that family.. James b. ca 1805 (whom you mentioned is prob the same James as yours who went to White Co. TN) and family all seemed to stay in Grayson Co. Va.. James 1805 children: Lorenzo Dow b. 1831, Joseph 1833, Phoebe 1837, Nancy 1845, Micajah 1846 and Peter
1849. I don't see any hints of his moving to TN, but I guess it could have happen.

Now, I descend from Wm. Roberts of Lee Co. Va. With that said, my dna matches are the closest to Earl and other known descendants of John 1733/35 of Surry as yourself, but I'm 99% certain my Wm Roberts did not descend directly from John of Surry. Besides John had a son already named William so my Wm. can't fit in his family. So, in my case, it seems that descendants who we are almost certainly closer related to me (such as yourself most likely) than John of Surry show a MORE DISTANT DNA match??? Go figure. I don't understand it.

Here's my latest family projections, *not proven of course* with help from others and dna:

COL. JAMES ROBERTS (Tory/Loyalist leader) of Snow Creek Va. b. ca. 1720s (also had property in Surry Co. NC that was confiscated due to Tory involvement, and likely bro of John Roberts b. 1730s of Surry Co. NC, that you show below)

Col James issue:

-CAPT. JAMES ROBERTS b. 1747 moved to Lee Co./Hawkins Co. area, helped raise sister Happy Riddle's children per old Riddle fam. book.
-CORNELIUS 1749 Russell Co. Va., killed 1788 by Indians (currently awaiting dna results from desc)
-JESSE ? 1763 of Clay Co. Ky.
-JOHN 1750 Va, of Buncombe Co. NC
-HARRIET "HAPPY" b. 1740s m. Wm. Riddle, Tory leader.
-WILLIAM ROBERTS of Lee Co. Va. b. 1740s (from Henry/Grayson Co Va area) m. Elizabeth Walling, dau. of Elisha Sr.
-WILLIAM ROBERTS of Lee Co. b. 1765 m. Catherine Rogers, dau. of Doswell.
-WILLIAM 1788 m. 1 Sarah Walling/2 Sallie Humphries (Wm. moved from Lee Co. Va. to White Co. Tn)
-JAMES 1807 of White Co. TN (your line)
- JOSEPH b. 1790s m. Margaret Anderson (my line-stayed in Lee Co. area)

Anyway, thought I'd share and welcome any comments, especially if anybody can explain the DNA match problems or inconsistencies, or if we can prove we descend from John 1733/35 of Surry Co. NC since we have closer dna matches to his descendants..

Thanks,

Phillip Roberts (the other Phil!)

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Louminda:

I cannot offer any information regarding the relationship between Jesse Roberts and William C. Roberts.

However, regarding your question about William Roberts, son of Reuben Roberts, I have been researching my gr-gr-grandfather's relationship with the Reuben Roberts clan for the past 3 - 4 years now due to some misinformation contained in "The Generations of Reuben" written by Laney Roberts.

I am now of the opinion, based on the evidence I have collected, that the William Roberts married to Sarah Walling(or Wallen) is the son of William Roberts Sr. of Lee County, VA.

Others have suggested this same relationship before 'The Generations of Reuben' went to print. Laney Roberts goes to some length in Chapter IV of his book to conclude otherwise but the arguments he puts forth just are not convincing and seem to be based on incomplete information.

I am in the process of organizing a DRAFT of a more complete set of data, but for now, and for the sake of brevity, I will share the following facts I have gathered to support my position.

1) There was a William Roberts jr. from Lee County, VA. living in White county Tennessee in 1822.

Laney Roberts states in his book: "the writer has not been able to find any documented data which prove or in any way suggest that a William Roberts, Jr. of Lee County, Virginia, ever lived in White County, Tennessee."

Response - See Hawkins Co. TN Circuit Court Minutes 1822-1825. Page 57-58. Thursday 10th October 1822. E. Embree, surviving partner of E&E Embree vs. Amis Grantham et al. Depositions to be taken of:

John McKinney Jr. of Murray Co TN

WILLIAM ROBERTS JR. OF WHITE CO TN.

William H. Carter of Lee Co VA.

Thomas Roberts of Lee Co VA

Dauswell Rogers of Lee Co VA

According to the above, William Roberts, Jr. was in White Co TN during the period of 1822-1825. This would appear to be William Jr. s/o William Sr. of Lee Co VA because the other men mentioned are men associated with that family. William Sr. had deeds with John McKinney Sr.; Thomas is son of Wm Sr. and brother to Wm Jr. William Sr. married Katheryn, the daughter of Dauswell Rogers who was on the 1767 Pittsylvania Co VA Tax List, the first one taken when Pittsylvania became a county.

2) This same William Roberts can be found in 1810 Lee County VA Tax records living near the James Walling family.

1810 census of VA for Lee Co, transcribed by Netti Schreiner-Vantis. Listed in the order the taxman took by date who was close to who:

Cloud, John 20 March

Blevins, James 23 March

Ashinhurst, John 29 March

Alsup, William 2 April

Breeding, Jeremiah 6 April

McKinney, John Jr. 16 May

Wallen, John Jr. 16 May

Wallen, John Sr. 16 May

Wallen, Elisha 16 May

Bledsoe, Abram 17 May

Bledsoe, Thomas 17 May

ROBERTS, WILLIAM JR. 17 May

Wallen, Joseph 17 May

Wallen, James 17 May

Lawson, Moorman 18 May

Lawson, Stokley 18 May

ROBERTS, WILLIAM SR. 18 May

Wallen, James Jr. 18 May

3) James Walling nuncupative will made in White Co., TN in 1849 says his daughter Sarah was married to William Roberts.

4) Thomas E. and Joseph Roberts (sons of William C. Roberts identified by L. Roberts in his book as being the son of Reuben), stated in the 1850 White County national census that they were born in Virginia.

The evidence indicates "The generations of Reuben" is incorrect. I have more data that I am in the process of organizing a DRAFT which I will make available soon to further support my position and that the 'other' William Roberts, the son of Reuben, lived in Warren County, TN and was the father of Thomas, Ellis & James Roberts. I do not know who he was married to nor how many children they had - there are indications, none of which I can substantiate, that he may have been married to Sallie Humphreys.

Please share your thoughts on this subject. Any facts that support or refute the above will be greatly appreciated.

Feel free to contact me via E-mail: RobertMSain@cs.com, US Mail: P.O. Box 187, Norris, TN 37828, or by phone: (865) 494-8154.

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Proposed Change: William C. Roberts (I3878)
Tree: The Hennessee Family
Link: http://thehennesseefamily.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I3878&tree=hennessee

Description: In "The generations of Reuben", Laney Roberts identified the wrong William Roberts as the son of Reuben Roberts. The William Roberts Laney identified as being the son of Reuben is actually William Roberts jr of Lee County, VA. I have spent considerable effort in working through the misinformation contained in "The Generations of Reuben". I recently submitted and obtained certification for Reuben Roberts to be included the First families of Tennessee Project sponsored by the East TN Historical Society in Knoxville, TN. My submission was based on my lineage through William Roberts of Warren County, TN -- the ETHS FFoT project had another Reuben Roberts submission from a descendant of William Roberts of White Co. TN (The one Laney Roberts incorrectly identified) at the same time and, after reviewing the submissions of each, the ETHS agreed that the Warren County William Roberts was the son of Reuben Roberts. The William Roberts of White Co. submission only had one source of information cited -- "The Generations of Reuben". Check one your other sources - "The Hache-Hash Genealogy and Allied Lines" by Gertrude Saylors. She correctly cited James M. Roberts m. Martha 'Patsy' Hash as the son of William Roberts. In his book, Laney Roberts changed the entry for James M. Roberts m. Martha 'Patsy' Hash to be the son of Caswell Cobb Roberts. Laney spends several pages in his book discussing why he thinks William Roberts of White county is the son of Reuben Roberts -- he is actually trying to discredit Mrs. Saylors work in his arguments (which are very weak). Check your sources - I have never seen a single primary source of information that indicates William Roberts of White County, TN is the son of Reuben Roberts whereas I found plenty to indicate William Roberts of warren County, TN is the correct son of Reuben Roberts. The ETHS has asked me to write an article for their quarterly journal to document William Roberts of Warren County, TN as the son of Reuben Roberts and to use the article as a case study of why people should check and verify their sources before publishing them. Currently in progress.

Robert Sain
robertmsain@cs.com

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Family Members
Parents

Reuben Derrith Roberts
1744–1841

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Mary Millie Asher Roberts
1759–1847

Spouses
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Sarah Walling Roberts
1790–1812

Sallie Humphrey Roberts
1796–1839

Siblings
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Thomas Roberts
1788–1867

Mary Martha Roberts Cotton
1789–1850

Mary Martha Roberts Cotten
1790–1850

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James Monroe Roberts
1793–1844

Susan Lucinda Roberts Roberts
1798–1853

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Nancy Roberts
1799–1850

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Reuben Roberts
1802–1883

Caswell Cobb Roberts
1804–1890

Matthew Scott Roberts
1808–1858

end of profile

William married Sarah "Sallie" Humphreys in 1813 in (White County, Tennessee). Sarah (daughter of David Humphrey and Sarah LNU) was born on 6 Nov 1796 in (White County, Tennessee); died on 14 Dec 1839 in (White County, Tennessee); was buried in Roberts Graveyard Charles Sparkman, White County, Tennessee. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

-----Original Message-----
From: P Roberts
To: Dan Robirds ; robertmsain
Cc: pmikeroberts
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:39 am
Subject: Re: Roberts

Hi Bob and Dan:

I have participated in the YDNA Roberts project. #130762. The farthest back I have *proven* is to William Roberts b.1765 who married Catherine Rogers (tradition) daughter of Doswell b. 1736. It is believed that William 1765 was son of William Roberts b. ca. 1740 who married Elizabeth Wallen, daughter of Old Elisha. My William (1765) settled in Lee Co. Va. and died there as far as i know. From the petition to form Lee Co. Va, I believe that William 1740 was there also along with William 1765...

The Roberts I connect closest to dna-wise are the "Roberts Cove" Roberts of Grayson Co. Va. who supposedly descend from John Roberts b. 1733/35 from Surry Co. NC. I think its possible that John 1733/35 was a brother of William 1740...

I'm sure those Roberts of White Co. TN connect to the William Roberts of Lee Co. with such close connections to Rogers and Wallens. I have not seen the name Reuben show up in any descendants in Lee Co. DNA would sure help prove it.

Thanks for this information, I'll certainly look over it, but for now have to run.

Phillip Roberts

William married Catherine Rogers. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

David married Sarah LNU in (CIRCA 1780) in Commonwealth of Virginia. Sarah was born in (CIRCA 1760) in Commonwealth of Virginia. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alt Birth: 1755

William married Elizabeth Walling. Elizabeth (daughter of Elisha Walling and Mary Blevins) was born in 0___ 1755 in Henry County, Virginia. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Doswell married unnamed spouse. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Possessions: Surry County, Virginia

James married unnamed spouse(Virginia, A British Colony of America). [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Elisha married Mary Blevins about 1739 in Prince George's County, Maryland. Mary was born in 0___ 1710 in Prince George's County, Maryland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alt Birth: 8 Feb 1667, Providence, Providence County, Rhode Island

Notes:

SECOND GENERATION

Thomas Walling II was born October 22, 1662 at Providence, Rhode Island. He married Sarah Elwell in 1695 and the family moved to Salem County, New Jersey. Thomas Walling II died there in 1724. He was a carpenter and farmer.

Thomas married Sarah Elwell on 10 May 1695 in Greenwich, Rhode Island. Sarah was born on 24 Aug 1676 in Gloucester, Essex County, Massachusetts; died on 19 May 1724 in Salem County, New Jersey. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

FIRST GENERATION

Thomas Walling I, born about 1627, was likely a son of Ralph and Joyce Wallen. No documentation has been found proving this relationship. Thomas Walling I was married to Mary Abbott and Margaret White Colwell. By 1657, he was in Providence, Rhode Island where he was named a commissioner. Thomas Walling I died in 1676 in Providence.

Thomas married Mary Abbott on 22 Jan 1650 in Providence, Rhode Island. Mary was born on 13 Dec 1629 in Cambridge, Middlesex, Massachusetts; died in 0___ 1669 in Providence, Rhode Island. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]